If Jesus were only human (created) as Jehovah Witnesses say, would he not fall under Romans 3:23?
To say He was created a mighty Angel prior to earth, you still have a problem.
Angels sinned, and were kicked out. It wont do to say He achieved perfection by not sinning, as all Humans are under the curse of Adam, born into sin
Several posters posit the idea that it is the Arch-Angel Michaels life force/ spirit that was infused ito Jesus.
So that said, are you saying Jesus is the Incarnate Michael ? Please explain with scripture if possible.
@cubby...is not "a good answer" one that has explored the truth scriptures really teach ?
I have read the essence of the following many times: "When his life was transferred to the womb of a virgin, he was eventually born a human 100% man, and 100% God's son. He returned to heaven and resumed his spirit life after his death and resurrection." Such a description is saying Jesus is actually Michael incarnated, and by coming to redeem what Adam lost is but a one man for one man payment concept. How then can this one for one redeem the whole world ?
- Annsan_In_HimLv 78 years agoBest answer
As the JWs believe Jesus was born of the virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit, they maintain that He was born without Adamic sin. Romans 3:23 is speaking of all humans who have sinned after the nature of Adam (5:12-20). Jesus was born sinless - perfect.
Now, the JWs limit this to 'just' being a perfect human. They deny that Jesus was God incarnate. They try to liken the perfect man, Jesus, to the perfect man Adam before he sinned. This is to bolster their doctrine that Jesus was the exact equivalent of Adam, no more and no less, in order to 'buy back' what Adam lost (not heaven, but living forever on a paradise Earth.)
This is important to bear in mind, because the problem with JWs saying Jesus did not fall under Romans 3:23 is that if He was only equivalent to Adam, Jesus' death could only have counter-balanced the sin of one man. No mere human, not even a perfect one, could become "the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world" (John 1:29). To do that, He would have to have the magnitude of God! That is why Romans 5 points out the differences between Adam and Jesus; "But the gift is not like the trespass... Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin..." (verses 15-20)
The JWs theology ends up admitting that Jesus couldn't die to allow anybody into heaven! They have to resort to suggesting that those with the heavenly calling have to "give up" a supposed "right" to everlasting right on a paradise Earth in exchange for their ticket to heaven. This is because they maintain that Jesus only died in order to restore what Adam lost for humanity. All of this boils back to their warped view that a created angel (Michael) was changed into a perfect human baby in Mary's womb and was only human, losing that humanity after dying, and now being a spirit creation. They actually have Jehovah creating an angel, then creating a human baby, then creating a spirit creature. They try to keep continuity between these three creations, but biblically, this is heretical.
- LizzyLv 68 years ago
We absolutely do not believe that Jesus was first created as a human. He is the only-begotten son of Jehovah God. Meaning he is the only creation created by Jehovah God alone, all other creation came from Jehovah through his son Jesus Christ.
Again you are wrong. Not all the angels sinned and were kicked out of heaven. He did not carry the adamic sin since he did not have a human father (note that father literally means life-giver) Therefore a perfect life was given as a ransom payment for a perfect life that was lost by adam.
- Zena IC XC NIKALv 78 years ago
Didn't Jesus Say
I was Before Abraham was ( Thus Jesus was in Existence)
We are all Born Pure
The Soul ( Body ) that Sinneth Dies and the SPIRIT returns to God. ( Ecclesiastics 12.7)
The Soul that Sinneth dies, and WE DO NOT PAY FOR THE SINS OF OUR MOTHER OR FATHER
( Ezekiel 18) Bible
Didn't Jesus say
I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE ( BIBLE)
Jesus is God.. ( John.1.1)\
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Jesus was Born Pure. ( And a Virgin shall Bear a Son and his name will be Emmanuel )
OT Isaiah 7.14 and Matthew 1.23
"I and the Father are one."
Jesus Is the Only one who descended to Earth from Heaven and Ascended Back to Heaven
John 3:12-15 - There and Back Again
Jesus said, “If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you ... No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. ... only Our Lord is one who came from heaven, went back to heaven, and is ... In fact, the only adequate way to know Him is through Jesus (John 1:17-18
- SUNSHINELv 78 years ago
Jesus was not created as a human, he was created as a mighty spirit in heaven before the world or the universe existed.
When his life was transfered to the womb of a virgin, he was eventually born a human 100% man, and 100% God's son.
He returned to heaven and resumed his spirit life after his death and ressurecton.
ROMANS 3:23 which says...
"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
The above scritpure does NOT apply to Jesus who was perfect (without sin) as a result of the miraculous nature of his birth.
EDIT: "Perfection" is not an inability to sin (that would be robotic) perfection means being without fault, CAPABLE of perfectly reflecting the Creators qualities. All God's spirit creatures were created perfect, but nevertheless retained their free will and choice to do good or bad. (See Deut 32: 4)
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- Anonymous8 years ago
Jehovah's Witnesses never have said or believed or taught that Jesus was only human. In fact the Bible itself says that Jesus was the firstborn of God, and only-begotten of all creation.
Jesus was the first and only direct creation by Jehovah God and lived in the spirit realm with his Father many eons of time before emptying his spirit body and becoming human. For example see Col 1:15, 16.
So no, according to the Bible, and the accurate teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses from the Bible, Jesus did not descend from Adam and thus WAS NOT condemned to sin and death. He was the son of God, and was born without sin and died a perfect human and on the third day resurrected back to life with an invisible immortal spirit body with which he returned back to heavens to reside with his Father Jehovah God once again to wait as at Jehovah's right hand until he was granted to begin ruling admist his enemies:
(Psalm 110:1) . . .The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”Source(s): The Bible. A Jehovah's Witness.
- TarxusLv 48 years ago
When you speak of angels sinning and getting kicked out you're probably referring to the "War in Heaven" as spoken about in Revelations 12:7. If you read verse 12:9 it says "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world; he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him".
Did you notice the last part of that verse where it says "and his angels were cast out with him"? Only Satan's followers were kicked out, but not all angels were kicked out therefore not all of them sinned. And Jesus Christ was definitely not one of those that got kicked out.
And where do you get this idea that all humans are born into sin? If you're referring to the verse in 1 Corinthians 15:22 where it says "For as in Adam all die". When Adam and Eve ate the fruit they became mortal human beings subject to death. As their descendants we too are subject to that same fate (Jesus Christ was no exception) but that is not because we were "born into sin". There are many religions that have the practice of baptizing infants for the removal of "original sin" but was Jesus Christ baptized as an infant? Unquestionably Jesus got baptized later on but he only did that to set an example for others. In John 3:5 the last part of that verse reads "and in him there is no sin".Source(s): Member of the Mormon Church
- Anonymous8 years ago
All decent fathers share their success!
It is no different to our heavenly Father!
The person who became Jesus existed before in heaven.
He was not only mighty as sunshine says but one person of
One thing JWs which fail to adorn on them is, if Jesus was the only
creation of the Father. Then he alone must be equal to God!
Is a child less a human being than its parents?
Hence, the person who became Jesus was no less a God than his
Therefore, Jesus, despite being limited only to mans form on earth
was far far more in heaven. He was LORD God in the OT, the authority/
Word of the Father in heaven. He was equal in glory to the Father just
as a grown up son is equal to his father on earth! But a good son would
still respect his fathers headship. As Jesus respects his Fathers headship.
But both equal as God(s)!
- jeniLv 78 years ago
What sin did Jesus do? Who can help this? 1Cor.15:22-28,51-53, Jesus does when
he makes all alive again, from the ground, just as Adam was, then where does sin
Jesus says,"if the blind lead the blind, they fall into the ditch." Not hell?Source(s): Bible.
- Anonymous8 years ago
I'm not even going to answer you because when we give good answers, you ignore them and just move on to the next one.
- Anonymous8 years ago
and JW's masturbate and look at porno every night, shame on them, may God have mercy on their damned souls.